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Post by Sindder Streg on Jan 19, 2016 17:10:59 GMT
I can think of about a dozen or more uses of sitting still in a posture for extended periods of time. I will list them at the end. I propose, in our discussions, to call 'sitting still in a posture for extended periods of time' meditation. When we say meditation, for clarity, it should be followed up or began with what type of meditation. So a simple discussion would go, "hey Henry, I meditated 20 minutes this morning!", "cool Harris, what type of meditation?" "oh, mindfulness, bro." "sweet, what type of mindfulness?" "mindfulness of sensations dawg" "oh hellz yeah!".
This clarifies two things: 1. What we were doing with our body. - 'sitting still in a posture for extended periods of time', ie. meditating. 2. What we were doing with our mind. - ex. mindfulness of breath.
This makes it more scientific. We can discuss what actually happened while we were meditating.
I think that this will greatly enhance our discussions. It will bring light to our actual meditative experiences so we can separate them from our abstract ideas and theory. I believe it will improve our personal meditation sessions in the following ways:
1. by making us more mindful of what actually occurred 2. perhaps our interpretations of what it meant could improve too 3. also improving our collective communication skills 4. improving our desire and will to meditate! 5. making us meditating baddasses 6. chicks bro, the chicks 7. unlocking magical mind tricks 8. sorcerers bro, sorcerers 9. yoga pants and six pack abs
Perhaps- and this may be a stretch, we'd have to talk about it and really commit, at least for a period of time or for a dedicated type of meditation, perhaps one we'd like to improve upon or try out- we could start an online journal of our meditation sessions. Personally, I take notes and keep track of my sitting times. I have religiously for the past two months and on and off for the past couple years.
Example of experience vs. idea.
Focusing on my breath for 15 minutes really slowed my thinking. I didn't really have many thoughts. My mindfulness has improved over the past month.
vs.
The breath is key to life. He who controls his breath controls the keys to life. No breath, no life. A calm breath, calms your entire life.
Now, this idea certainly could be tested, refined etc. But, I'm proposing, shouldn't be held to be absolute truth without proper testing. Hell, it may be true, who knows. Plenty has been written about similar ideas. But we have to test them. Do you think so?
Well, what do you think? Even if we don't go off the deep end testing ancient theories of enlightenment, do you think it would be interesting, informative, and a decent idea to try to journal online for a set period? Please let me know what you think. I personally have some things I'd like to try out.
Harris' List Of Cool Shit You Can Do While Sitting Still In A Posture for Extended Periods Of Time:
1. Relaxation 2. Astral Travel 3. Setting Intentions 4. Awareness of the Senses 5. Mindfulness of Breath 6. Trance 7. Exercise (holding different postures, ie basic Yoga) 8. Breath Control 9. Chi Circulation 10. Chakra Balancing 11. Insight into the Nature of Reality 12. Deity Visualization 13. Just Sitting 14. And Much More!!!
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Post by Admin on Jan 19, 2016 17:59:02 GMT
I dig it.
Admittedly, upon first reading, I felt an intimidation that I could not keep up (particularly with the journaling aspect - a wonderful tool); I do a daily quick-like mindfulness routine before and after yoga poses, so I guess that will do.
Further: but oooooohhhhhh I LOVE blabbing about theory. I like the fact that you are drawing our interactions back toward experience (I need constant self- and other-reminders about that throughout the day just so I don't sink in my own wandering thoughts and miss out on life), but I also don't want to lose the value of the ACT of discussing which is, I feel, in itself meditative despite its occasional frustrations. I also think the discussion of abstractions is compatible with your proposed bolstering of empirical/scientific efforts. I have actually noticed in the last week or so a feeling that my "faith" in my practice has been more like a picture frame than a plant (from the yoga sutras), and that definitely has bothered me. So, maintaining rigor, so to speak, by making it experiential/experimental would help me feel the novelty and excitement I once felt as a pure newbie (i.e. avoiding trying to hard, letting it happen the way it does with less expectation or - especially for me - not getting my panties in a wad if my expectations are shattered or not fulfilled).
I agree that journaling our thoughts immediately after will be helpful for conversation and will probably be motivating to continue routinely. I would suggest that we keep the journaling time to as close to the actual "meditating event" as possible or include a qualifier with the journal entry (ex. "This afternoon, after I have had time to process this morning's session, I noticed..."). I plan to treat the journal like a dream journal which should be initially written with little attention to grammar, very little editing, and openness to whatever is happening right then. It might also be worth noting any noises/distractions that are occurring during the meditation. I tend to have something happening in the house or room in which I am having my "time-in" (not ideal, but it is what it is right now). This obviously changes it a little, but those noises/distractions can also reveal a lot about how I am treating the time (anxiety level, frustration that it is not "working", seeing the distractions as just part of the immediate experience without judgment, etc.).
Good thoughts, man. No promises that I will be the most diligent, but I'll give it a whirl.
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Post by Admin on Jan 19, 2016 19:14:22 GMT
I happened to have a planning period just now (i am subbing as an art teacher), and I sat still during that time...
Attempt at breath-focus/sensations of sitting here. Warm (have my coat on). Mind racing, worried about remembering stuff to write about and not doing it well enough because I'm worried about that. Visual of my panicked face poking above thrashing waves and arms flailing to pull my body out of wild sea to gasp for air. Wondered about allowing myself to sink - felt to poetic and forced - so I just watched my terrified face and raging body struggle - felt peace.
Moved back to breath. noticed my pants were too tight. loosened belt. sat back a little. Began saying "it's ok" when mind wandered away from breath.
began scanning muscles and bones of body from face/head down. oscillated between seeing my head sink into my torso, lost in it, being absorbed by it and being devoured by it and seeing my body in its entirety from a transcendent vantage point with a face-less sense of awareness above my body and an emergent, but not complete, feeling of knowing.
Sleepy. Opened eyes momentarily to wake some.
Sank back into breath. Rhythm of beginning/during/ending. Moments between inhale-exhalation.
Interrupted by another teacher. Fell back into breath quickly.
Got a text. Stomach imploded with electricity. Current rose up toward my head super fast. Tension like hearing a mouse trap released right by my ear, snapping my concentration. Awareness popped up and settled like dust slowly. Sort of smelled dust (I smell it now in this art room).
Returned to stillness. Felt breath slowing.
More but can't remember and have to go.
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Post by Sindder Streg on Jan 19, 2016 22:23:35 GMT
Go back to the loosening of the belt part Glad you've jumped on this so quickly. I'll sit tonight.
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Post by Admin on Jan 20, 2016 11:12:15 GMT
woke up late for the um-teenth time in a row, so i only had about 10 minutes
did an abbreviated version of my yoga routine
found i could fall into a sort of self-resonance pretty quickly with the slow, methodical motions matched with reaaaaaallly slow and deep breathing
sort of lost myself and felt like i was becoming the action (sort of how i feel when I've sunk into playing music); this was a feeling i was trying for, so it pleased and encouraged me to touch it so easily
and theeeeeennnnnn...
I cooked some bacon
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Post by Admin on Jan 20, 2016 14:06:36 GMT
partially initial excitement and partially happenstance that I have had the time in the last two days (I haven't been called in to work yet this morning)...
I sat for 30 minutes (with a timer) in my empty house and let my mind work how it was working. breath focus. stillness (not yet stirred up from the day). realized I need to befriend myself before I let myself go. lots of self-loathing, self-doubt, years of self-directed hate and untrustworthiness, no/little sense of self-reliance, shame, guilt, no self-faith... All these things built from early age and only recently being brought to light to look at and observe. like opening a box of my own keepsakes I've never seen before. must carefully examine before burning to know what I am allowing to dissipate. need to know that when i stand on my own shoulders to transcend my "self" of the world, I will not shrug and be unstable or unwilling. must be a self-partner and grow a mutual understanding that my self will soon be peripheral and a part of my past way of living (at least to the extent that I once lived and to the extent that I will want to leave that self to evaporate - I don't feel now like I should try to force myself to want to give up anything that the desire/drive to give up hasn't emerged on its own). noticed a feeling of shame even in this recognition that I am not "developed enough" "mature enough" "deep enough" "ready enough" for pure introspection... need work on that too, but this time it was easier - I am exactly where I need to be right Now.
back to breath
proceeded with a head to toe body scan of all muscles and bones and nerves. then to organs in body proper (interception) and visualized linkage from those parts of the body to the brain via spinal cord. particular attention to lungs and heart (placed my hands on stomach and chest to feel those things work - felt connection to them; loved them for working) then up to the brain. thought of some of the regions I know of the brain and how they integrate to become the stage on which my mind can self-develop and play itself out; how it turns back on itself and its stage to manipulate both.
back to breath
stomach occasionally disturbed by thoughts of "when will my timer go" "I wonder if my phone will ring for a job" "I should probably study today" etc. noticed the disturbance. directed attention to the disturbance. stopped the disturbance. felt like a mental cauterization of a bodily mishap. felt in control.
bend the spoke of attention back to the observer. the conscious observation in progress (the same that was examining my"self"). visualized words I was using to track my experience shatter and fall in front of my observing face (still literary, but felt like i was using metaphor of language to step above language much like using mind to transcend itself). blankness with subtle shades of soft color as my awareness was felt. like I was soaking in like sunlight, but still.
timer went
some small discomforts in posture throughout, but I shifted and managed. also, needed to loosen belt again (makes me wonder how many grumpy moods or anxiety-wrought afternoons have been brought about by a belt that has been wrenched too tight!). more thoughts during but can't remember.
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Post by Sindder Streg on Jan 20, 2016 14:29:43 GMT
1/19/16 9:45pm 10 minutes just sitting
Irritated going into it. During I became upset I couldn't get my body right- having issues with weight and lower back pain. I saw that my life was going to pass me by while I was worrying over this crap and not doing anything. Sat up straighter, breathed a little better. Concentrated on a desire to get in shape.
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Post by Sindder Streg on Jan 20, 2016 14:50:26 GMT
1/20/16 7:15am Motionlessness
After observing that forcing stillness creates movement I was blessed with a synchronicity from the Universe of confirmation that I had the right attitude. I saw a shape in the curtains of someone in celebration. The attitude: sit still, breath naturally, observe yourself passively. Now all that's left is to practice this skill. Not focused entirely on this attitude but it came and went and I tried to keep it in mind for the remainder of my sit. Did less than decent but still proud I've got a 'tude to focus on.
Side note: feelings of shame and regret bubbling up fairly hard this morning.
Other note: I'm keeping up with what I eat in a journal with the intention of losing weight. I also started walking this morning, 30 minutes.
Another note: I'm also keeping up with the magic practices I perform. I'm keeping track of dreams as well. I'm doing a meditation/magical training program from a book on magic I have. The program is in a few different parts. Here's the first three for meditation: motionlessness, breathing, not-thinking. I'm going to have to have success with losing weight if I'm to have any real success with breath control. I've observed this many times in my meditation sessions. I've had this book for years but never had the discipline to actually do it. Here goes! May luck be with me!
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Post by Sindder Streg on Jan 20, 2016 16:33:19 GMT
Wonderful! I like your descriptions. I've been afraid of my emotions for a while now and sometimes I let some of it go, or I'm learning to do so, so I'm glad to see you writing about it. It makes me feel more comfortable.
What sort of yoga poses do you do?
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Post by Admin on Jan 20, 2016 17:14:03 GMT
I love the cool curse in the curtains (symbols in the sheets?, blessings from the blinds?, destiny in the drapes?...)
I have dealt with lower back pain (probably due to being overweight) too. - I threw my back out IN MY SLEEP yesterday! Because of that, had to take it easy on yoga lately.
I always just lay still on the floor first (corpse pose) then I do some variation on the sun salutation, a hamstring-stretching/lunging routine, floor stretches and a head-stand-based cycle (working on that hand-stand!... no where close) Then... I lay on my back and chill. Trying to focus on strengthening arms, matching breath to movement, stretching legs and improving balance and concentration. Makes me feel great after. Tried to attach a good photo-visual, but it was too big.
Yeah, emotion (especially non-conscious ones) has been on my mind for the last couple of years. I have felt like a stunted idiot because of so many deficits in self-understanding and emotion-monitoring and -modulation have definitely been areas of growth.
Glad we have gotten busy on this - really good idea - I do expect a slight decline in activity (particularly on my end like when I work in crazy classes from 7:30-6), but let's ride it out.
Also, let me know how your plan with your book goes. Magic is still not quite up my alley, but I am curious how that influences you. Especially with meditation/self-regulation-type stuff (breathing, emotion regulation, etc)
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Post by Admin on Jan 20, 2016 17:27:50 GMT
Just to clarify:
CALLING IT magic is not up my alley. nor are some of the intentional stances that are woven into the method that I have read (you sent me a link to a book and I read most of it; don't remember what it was) - i.e. "I am doing this to get whatever I want". There is probably a lot more to it than that, but... you know... that's all I got
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Post by Sindder Streg on Jan 20, 2016 18:37:15 GMT
On emotions, I was always afraid that if I shared how I truly felt I would hurt people's feelings or otherwise do or say something I couldn't undo. I'm hoping now that I can let some of that stuff ride but not give emotions power over my decision making skills. Just sort or air some of the stuff out. It's interesting to me to feel these things after bottling them up intentionally or unintentionally. It's nice to be getting this aspect of humanity back. On difficultly of posting, I understand. I write the stuff down anyways and I'm just copying it here at work.
Yes, magic is an interesting topic. One that I've been just drooling over. I love it so much! Magic is an alternative way to view and describe the universe.
An example:
If the universe is made of magic it just makes sense to do a spell to have your bus arrive on time the next morning. If the bus arrives on time, you could explain it away by saying the driver encountered light traffic. The fact remains you did a spell to have your bus arrive on time. You communicated your desire in magic. Science is not the only way to describe the world. It's not the only language. The term GRIMOIRE comes from the word grammar. Hence the use of the word 'spell'.
Wow, describing that helped to understand it more! Funny how that works.
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Post by Sindder Streg on Jan 21, 2016 2:49:14 GMT
1/20/16 9:30pm 15 minutes Motionlessness
Eyes closed. Mind went off on two or three trains of thought. Posture not stable, core weak. Couldn't sit straight up. Felt leaning back and right. Tried to adjust. Almost sweating holding myself upright. Keep practicing, should get better in a couple of weeks. Makes me realize how lax I was in my sits before.
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Post by Admin on Jan 21, 2016 13:59:51 GMT
5:50am about 10 minutes of light yoga
I wasn't going to record this, but i thought about it and had something to say.
purely physical exercise. no attempt to enter into any mindfulness state. just trying to "unfold" myself from the night's sleep. lower back still hurting. mind was absolutely identifying with the worries and anxieties of the morning routine (i knew i was late, the kids have been getting about an hour less sleep than they need to feel good during the day so they are hell to wake up this week, had to be at work a little earlier - kind of knew i would be late).
the stretches did help wake me up, improve mood and alleviate some back discomfort, but next time i'll just set a timer, press pause on the racing of mind and go into "la la land" until the timer goes off.
Also going to make more effort to get up at 5 like i used to to get a good 30-45 minutes in so i could sandwich yoga in between 10-15 of pure sitting still
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Post by Sindder Streg on Jan 21, 2016 15:26:46 GMT
Just exercise for me this morning too. 30 minute walk.
My goal is to get to waking up at 5am. I'm going to work it back 15-30 minutes over the weeks/months to come. <blushing> I'm at 7am now. I've noticed how what I eat affects my sleep time. If I eat less at supper I'm more awake earlier in the morning. But like last night, my mom's beef stroganoff, I had to sleep it off. Hey, it's better than a hangover!
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